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Post by topoftheworl on Sept 17, 2014 11:57:14 GMT -5
Is there a Draft Tourney after this one? I.E is there anything to prevent someone from playing a super long game and using the draft and the next four seasons where 19 year old prospects will be massively undervalued compared to typical and amassing a team built to win 120 games a season for the decade after the tourney is over? Yes, the hope is constantly running draft tournaments with this world. Let's get that written in to World Rules now then. Otherwise I know plenty of owners that would camp out that long to get a dynasty and then refuse to move.
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 17, 2014 12:25:38 GMT -5
That was sent out in the original site mail invites.
Additionally the name change should also be a big clue.
Probably not a bad idea to just be safe though.
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Post by oddson on Sept 17, 2014 22:32:36 GMT -5
Yes, the hope is constantly running draft tournaments with this world. Let's get that written in to World Rules now then. Otherwise I know plenty of owners that would camp out that long to get a dynasty and then refuse to move. so, to be clear, my understanding is that at the end of the 4yrs, we basically start all over again ?
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 17, 2014 23:31:52 GMT -5
Let's get that written in to World Rules now then. Otherwise I know plenty of owners that would camp out that long to get a dynasty and then refuse to move. so, to be clear, my understanding is that at the end of the 4yrs, we basically start all over again ? That is correct!
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 18, 2014 0:02:17 GMT -5
Among things not covered in our rules is how this whole thing is scored? Just regular season wins? Regular season wins plus playoff wins? Bonus points for WS victories? I couldn't find it. Direct quote from the "I have read the rules..." thread: PRIZE DISTRIBUTION Ranked by highest regular season win total at the completion of the 4 seasons. That sounds a bit short sighted. One could win all four WS and not win the tourney. That's pretty insulting to be honest. It may well come to be that there are a few things that were not anticipated or that I may have overlooked, but if there is one thing this format is NOT, it is short-sighted. Here's the reasoning behind the decision: Everyone making the post season will get WIS credits. THAT is your bonus. There are also many instances where a team in a crap division makes the playoffs with a crap record. I won my division at 80-82 one season. There are also instances where in a strong division a 90 win team finishes 4th. If two teams finish tied for the last wildcard spot at 87 wins there is no reason for one of them to get to pad their total for this tourney, while the other cannot. The one ALREADY gets WIS credits and could possibly win a title. The other is done. In this format the 87 wins are still tied going into next season which is EXACTLY the way I designed it. I am very pleased to see that others get it. I thought that too at 1st top. But when you think about it, the "best" teams don't always make the playoffs. You shouldn't possibly get bonus wins for being in a weak division, or penalized for being in a strong one. but I think rewarding season long success is better. Makes every game count, you know? I have had 116 win teams go out in the 1st round. Its about consistency, not dumb luck. Your discrediting seattleace's post doesn't diminish the legitimacy of it. My 80-82 squad knocked out the 1st seed (105 game winner) and made it to the LCS. And when he says "first round" he meant in HIS first series, which was obviously the 2nd round, since he was the #1 seed and had a bye.
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Post by Topoftheworl on Sept 18, 2014 1:45:42 GMT -5
That was sent out in the original site mail invites. Additionally the name change should also be a big clue. Probably not a bad idea to just be safe though. If it's not in your private world rules WIS will not enforce it. Right now our private world rules consist of the letter T. Just trying to help.
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Post by Topoftheworl on Sept 18, 2014 2:17:41 GMT -5
Among things not covered in our rules is how this whole thing is scored? Just regular season wins? Regular season wins plus playoff wins? Bonus points for WS victories? I couldn't find it. Direct quote from the "I have read the rules..." thread: PRIZE DISTRIBUTION Ranked by highest regular season win total at the completion of the 4 seasons. That sounds a bit short sighted. One could win all four WS and not win the tourney. That's pretty insulting to be honest. It may well come to be that there are a few things that were not anticipated or that I may have overlooked, but if there is one thing this format is NOT, it is short-sighted. Here's the reasoning behind the decision: Everyone making the post season will get WIS credits. THAT is your bonus. There are also many instances where a team in a crap division makes the playoffs with a crap record. I won my division at 80-82 one season. There are also instances where in a strong division a 90 win team finishes 4th. If two teams finish tied for the last wildcard spot at 87 wins there is no reason for one of them to get to pad their total for this tourney, while the other cannot. The one ALREADY gets WIS credits and could possibly win a title. The other is done. In this format the 87 wins are still tied going into next season which is EXACTLY the way I designed it. I am very pleased to see that others get it. I thought that too at 1st top. But when you think about it, the "best" teams don't always make the playoffs. You shouldn't possibly get bonus wins for being in a weak division, or penalized for being in a strong one. but I think rewarding season long success is better. Makes every game count, you know? I have had 116 win teams go out in the 1st round. Its about consistency, not dumb luck. Your discrediting seattleace's post doesn't diminish the legitimacy of it. My 80-82 squad knocked out the 1st seed (105 game winner) and made it to the LCS. And when he says "first round" he meant in HIS first series, which was obviously the 2nd round, since he was the #1 seed and had a bye. I am not sure whether to apologize for having an opinion or not. Amount the 7 threads, 30+ sitemails and tens of thousands of words I missed one sentence. I did not demand it to be changed or threaten to quit if I didn't get my way. I find it humorous that most of the retort has been anecdotal. I too have won a WS from a 4 seed, but I'd willing to bet a much greater percentage of 100-110 win ball clubs win the WS than 80-90 win clubs. I know it's true with me. Citing the less common time when it doesn't happen are a few anomalies in a sea of data. Anyway, that isn't even my point. My point is that building a regular season winner and a post-season winner are two related, but different skill sets. Winning in the regular season is about being good 1-25. Winning in the post season is about being great 1-17ish. To only credit regular season wins tests only a single skill set. Should I be allowed to participate in the second of these I will suggest that we reward both skill sets. I'm fine with doing it as it is, but let's allow everyone their opinions. It may have been created largely by you, but now it belongs to all of us.
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 18, 2014 3:17:05 GMT -5
I apologize.
I've worked very long and hard on this, and with the last debate just now being resolved, I was probably overly sensitive to the term short-sighted.
I do encourage feedback, although I guess I was kind of was hoping we could just go ahead and try the format as I designed it before we started trying to change it. I feel that is probably the reasoning behind the reaction in WC.
I'm sure the 2nd installment will have modifications, but I would really prefer if we just made it through this process without further debates.
We've got 4 seasons to work on modifications, and I feel that suggesting rule changes at this time is counterproductive to having this go as smoothly as possible.
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Sept 18, 2014 10:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by Soxfan_9 on Sept 18, 2014 10:38:46 GMT -5
I think what mchale has done isn't perfect for everyone (no set of rules would probably appease everyone 100%) but honestly, he put a lot of effort into this over the past calendar year and it all seems to be thought out and have it's reasoning behind it. And I think it is fair. We all have/and committed to 4 full HBD seasons or basically a full calendar year once our first season starts. Hopefully we can play nice and good luck to everyone.
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Post by kahrtmen on Sept 18, 2014 11:09:32 GMT -5
Personally, I like the focus on the regular season.
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Post by oddson on Sept 18, 2014 14:27:44 GMT -5
I agree, I like the focus on the regular season and you are rewarded from WIS if you win the WS. Seems to me best of both worlds, and for the record I appreciate all the effort Mchale has put into this and I am sure everyone else appreciates it as well.. Thanks Mchale .
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Post by kahrtmen on Sept 19, 2014 12:42:16 GMT -5
I assume that if you have a bunch of type A picks, you will have to set your prospect budget so that you can draft your first seven picks, regardless of how expensive their slot demands are, yes?
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 19, 2014 12:55:31 GMT -5
I assume that if you have a bunch of type A picks, you will have to set your prospect budget so that you can draft your first seven picks, regardless of how expensive their slot demands are, yes? Correct. You can check previous drafts and get an idea. For instance if you are picking 9th That's going to cost about 3.250M IF 4 Type As were signed by those teams that are 17th or higher, and you ended up with the most expensive of all of the 1st round comp picks(17th-20th) then you might end up with an additional 9-9.5M at the most it looks like. Then that would leave 2 supplemental rounders which are generally 600K each. So at the most you'd likely need 14M or so. Of course there are so many variables. If NONE of your TypeAs get 1st round comps and they slip to 2nd rounders your looking at a 6-8M difference right there.
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Post by kahrtmen on Sept 19, 2014 13:07:08 GMT -5
Yeah, that is a HUGE swing in expected budget. Interesting, thanks.
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 19, 2014 13:10:41 GMT -5
Additionally any of those slots who were not WTSFSM wouldn't count at all, and would reduce the overall cost by X amount depending on their slot.
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 19, 2014 23:52:48 GMT -5
Quick question...is there any way to sort the player pool by various attributes? Thanks... I also read in WC that some were having trouble with mac. Let me repeat, this list came directly from the WIS page found at: World Office/Reports/Player Search. Everyone that can be found on that page is in the draft pool. FA DO NOT appear in those lists. You can sort very very easily there, and some owners may find it more convenient to use that page rather than the spreadsheet. The spreadsheet can be used as a complimentary tool for simply pricing arb and LT demands of any player appearing with a $0 for salary.
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Sept 20, 2014 7:46:11 GMT -5
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Post by bjschumacher on Sept 20, 2014 7:46:11 GMT -5
Will we be allowed to move our team to a different ballpark in future seasons? For example, if it turns out that our team is not well suited to our current park?
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Post by bjschumacher on Sept 20, 2014 9:09:10 GMT -5
Regarding the big draft, since the first 2 rounds are untimed, there should be no reason why we can start it tomorow, right? No's no pressure to get your pick submitted in time. So if Opie has his player picked out, why not go ahead and start it (after the city draft is complete, of course.) If we want to take a breather before the start of the timed rounds, that might make sense.
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Post by rockindock on Sept 20, 2014 9:14:50 GMT -5
Can't wait for that 30th pick huh?
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 20, 2014 12:10:26 GMT -5
Will we be allowed to move our team to a different ballpark in future seasons? For example, if it turns out that our team is not well suited to our current park? No. You are locked in for the 4 seasons.
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