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Post by kahrtmen on Sept 15, 2014 11:51:44 GMT -5
The problem with that is that you could end up with a good pick in the amateur draft as well as a good pick in the big draft. That's why they made them opposites.
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Sept 15, 2014 11:52:49 GMT -5
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Post by shobob on Sept 15, 2014 11:52:49 GMT -5
If we made the big draft order another random selection that would seem fair to me. Roll the dice and take your chances. After the city draft is complete then ask MikeT to generate another random draft order for the big draft. I do not think the big draft order should be determined until the city draft is complete. Not an unreasonable solution
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Post by ewd330 on Sept 15, 2014 12:05:37 GMT -5
I see very little if any advantage in having the first pick in the amateur draft. In a four-year world, it limits your choices of prospects to those who are close to maturation, if any even exist which is very rare.
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Post by Oddson on Sept 15, 2014 12:17:04 GMT -5
What should have been done IMO is if you had the first pick in the city draft (which is random) then you should have had the last pick in the player draft. As it stands right now if you have the last pick in the city draft you get stuck with a franchise which has bad contracts and then your best players drafted will most likely have undesirable contracts as well. Good night you are done .
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Post by rockindock on Sept 15, 2014 12:17:25 GMT -5
I agree, the amateur draft has little meaning in the current status of the world. It only helps to ensure the health of the world going forward. If we all come back next season I assume we will be managing different teams.
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Sept 15, 2014 12:26:56 GMT -5
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Post by shobob on Sept 15, 2014 12:26:56 GMT -5
Some people are going to value draft time slots more than earlier picks, so my suggestion is we conduct a draft slot draft after the city draft. We can go random or reverse the city draft order.
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Post by shobob on Sept 15, 2014 12:28:33 GMT -5
Let's see what mchales_army has to say.
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Post by nap00 on Sept 15, 2014 12:44:26 GMT -5
I like the idea of randomly generating the big draft order. From there we can still reverse that for the amateur draft order.
I tend to agree. It would suck to "pick" the last city/franchise and then also not get to pick any player in the top 30.
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Post by kahrtmen on Sept 15, 2014 13:00:11 GMT -5
We can't reverse the amateur draft order - that is tied to the franchise. Once you pick your franchise you are tied to that amateur draft slot.
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 15, 2014 13:18:11 GMT -5
To continue my thought from the previous post. If the big draft order is just the opposite of the city draft order, that takes away the ability to choose the best time slot. Remember that it's a snake style draft, so the team that picks first doesn't pick again till 64th I think many are not thinking through this. Pick #32&33 may be better than 1&64. They are certainly comparable.
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Post by oddson on Sept 15, 2014 13:23:37 GMT -5
We can't reverse the amateur draft order - that is tied to the franchise. Once you pick your franchise you are tied to that amateur draft slot. That is fine. The way I believe it should be done is if you have the first pick in the city draft you have the last pick in the player draft and your amateur slot would be determined by your city. This to me seems the fairest.
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 15, 2014 13:27:32 GMT -5
Secondly, I don't understand how to tell or where exactly to go to see what franchises have been selected , what time I pick, and where I can place the franchise. Guess I am pretty lost as to how this next part is exactly suppose to happen. I can use a little help. I will be out of commission for the next few hours. There is a thread specifically for this event. I have sent it out to everyone at least once. I asked everyone to familiarize themselves with it, and I feel like everything was explained in great detail. Here is the link to that thread: drafttourney.freeforums.net/thread/29/city-division-league-draftI can't help people or clarify anything if owners do not take the time to read all of the very detailed information I have already posted. When I post something I try to be as detailed and as thorough as possible. I cannot believe for one second that anyone could have read something I have posted and then walk away COMPLETELY lost. Might they have a question or two about something? Sure, but not be completely lost. If that is the case here then specific questions need to be asked. Doesn't the first post in that thread answer almost every specific question in this quoted post?
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Post by rockindock on Sept 15, 2014 13:41:37 GMT -5
I do not agree that picks 32/33 is as good as picks 1/64. Especially if the 1/64 guy has the ability to select his current roster ahead of the 32/33 guy.
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Post by kahrtmen on Sept 15, 2014 14:45:30 GMT -5
I am fine with going forward with the rules as originally stated (I am close to the middle) but I do think that ending up with the last pick of the city draft as well as the last pick of the big draft is a pretty big hole to dig out of. If not an inversion then a redraw for the big draft seems the most fair. Yes, someone could get unlucky and get a bad spot in both, but at least they are not correlated.
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Post by kahrtmen on Sept 15, 2014 14:46:13 GMT -5
And I understand that the last city chosen may not be the 32nd pick in the big draft, but I bet it is near the back.
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Post by dsvv1123 on Sept 15, 2014 15:49:20 GMT -5
Was there an issue with player stamina when Mchale exported his chart? Want to make sure the players I'm looking at are actually those ratings.
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 16, 2014 0:18:49 GMT -5
Was there an issue with player stamina when Mchale exported his chart? Want to make sure the players I'm looking at are actually those ratings. One owner made the claim that there was such an issue. It was determined to be false. The only issue is that due to a quirk at WIS the pitcher list contains a pretty large amount of position players. EVERY ONE of those position players are ALSO included in the Position player list. So there are no issues at all with the spreadsheet that I am aware of.
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 16, 2014 1:02:24 GMT -5
I haven't researched every franchise yet, but I imagine the franchises with the most dead money are likely to be the ones that were competing for the playoffs recently and as a result have low amateur draft picks and early big draft position. THIS IS VERY ACCURATE IMO. That's why I said that the arguments made about fairness really have little merit. It might certainly APPEAR that way at first glance, but I assure you it is nowhere near that cut and dry.
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Post by mchales_army on Sept 16, 2014 2:19:26 GMT -5
I think there are some concerns that having the first choice of parks as well as first choice for big draft position is a hefty advantage. I don't think the park matters much myself, but I do think that finding a franchise without bad contracts as well as having your choice of draft position in the big draft is a pretty big deal. This position seems to have some merit. Since the city draft hasn't begun yet, now is our last chance to put any issues to bed. The only problem I see arising is that many people are going to be valuing draft time slot more than city, payroll or draft position Specifically referencing The part "The only problem I see arising is that many people are going to be valuing draft time slot more than city, payroll or draft position" I would advise against this. If we, as a group are as responsive as you all have demonstrated to be so far, we may not ever use that draft schedule. I think it is PROBABLE that we will at some point, but I, personally wouldn't weigh that factor very heavily at all. Additionally we will have 5 owners helping with the draft process who will make proxy picks for anyone not able to do so. IOW, there are a lot of options to avoid getting skipped, if/when we go to a scheduled draft with time slots. USE THE RESOURCES I HAVE WORKED HARD TO GET FOR US ALL!!!
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Post by dsvv1123 on Sept 16, 2014 10:30:18 GMT -5
this has definitely been asked, but I can't find it. How are current arbitration eligible players handled? Do they do into the free agent pool, stick to the current franchise or are they draft eligible?
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